Interviewee:
Ana Nur
Interviewer:
Phinius Sebatsane
List of Acronyms:
AN: Ana Nur
PS: Phinius Sebatsane
PS: Hello everyone, my name is Phinius Sebatsane, you all know me. I host this podcast free to fly, podcast uh, where we talk about human trafficking, where we educate one another to make sure that we are informed in the field that we are working in. Free to fly works with victims of human trafficking, as you know them and we try to create a safer world for every human being who are who can be possibly be trafficked.
PS: I have an amazing guest in a house that will be talking to. Sister Anna, that comes from the IOM, she’ll explain more in details that what actually means, and the work that she’s doing. Sister Anna, how are you?
AN: I am good Phineas, how are you?
PS: I’ very well, thank you. If you can briefly just tell us who you are, uh the organization that you are part of and the amazing work that you guys are doing.
AN: Right, so my name is Ana Nur. I work for the United Nations migration agency or International Organization for Migration. I am based in Pretoria.
I am a Regional Thematic Specialist on Protection and uh our regional office is based in Kenya, covering 25 countries in Southern African countries, we stationed in Pretoria and we’re covering 10 countries of Southern Africa.
PS: Oh, wow. Just, you know, I just want to find out if, you know, uh when it comes to human traffic, because some people may be listening to us for the first time and they’ actually don’t know what what what human trafficking is.
Can can you give us a brief definition of what human trafficking is so that if maybe we have a first-time listener, we can actually understand what we actually taking about.
AN: Yeah, uh thank you. uh so human trafficking is a crime that constitutes uh a process whereby there is an act and a means and uh for the purpose of exploitation. So when someone is uh recruited uh under a threat for the purpose of exploiting that individual, for the various forms of exploitation such as forced labour or sexual exploitation and other than that person’s a victim of trafficking.
However, when that person is a child, you do not need an element of means, so there should not be or you don’t have to know whether the person is forced or threatened. When you see a child and that child on the street begging, then you find yourself a case of child trafficking there.
PS: Okay, so you are basically speaking about forced-begging, it’s also just a form of human-trafficking.
AN: Ja
PS: Okay, can you explain that a little bit because sometimes, you know, we have people who are living on the street, you know who are begging, who are selling things and sometimes we can say people choose to do what they’re doing. But we don’t realise that maybe they could be trafficked. Can you speak a little bit about that?
AN: Yes. So it is very difficult to identify a person to as a victim of trafficking by just looking at them. You have to have a conversation with that person to uh to find out the uh the the story behind uh that person being on the street, whether there is an element of a recruitment or an of transportations and then if there is an element of threat or false promises, and then and you could you could also see whether that person has a freedom to maintain or manage the money that the person earns on the street or there is somebody else who takes benefit from from the vulnerability of that individual.
So, uh so but however, you could see what we call it the assessment of this uh general indication of trafficking where you see a child on the street and a you need to find out more about what is a child doing on the street because it it is not the safest place for a child to be in. So that uh when you see a child that is a general indication of trafficking in person, but know whether that child is a victim of trafficking, then you need to find out what happens to to him or her if uh if someone organises the child and someone uh keeps the the earning from begging on the street.
PS: Okay, So how how vulnerable are immigrants when it comes to human trafficking? Because, you know, just of air, you and me spoke about you know, people who are standing on the side of the road looking for a job, you, jumping into trucks, not knowing where they’re going, how much they’re going to be paid. You know, how vulnerable are immigrants, you know, when it comes to, you know, being possibly trafficked?
AN: Yeah, very, very vulnerable. We just completed a study about the southern routes and protection concerns where we identify that uh the migrants who are moving uh who may be recruited from a very hard hardship condition, uh they have to even gone uh they they have to travel across five different countries and to end up in South Africa and being exploited when uh upon arrival. And uh is probably the the people who do not have a documentations with the with him or with her and sometimes the documents are confiscated by the traffickers and uh or they are lied to about uh about the uh the you know, the uh the status uh of them, they could be uh promised that they would be working in in in South Africa with uh with uh with the promises of uh a certain amount of salary but upon arrival it’s nothing uh there’s no such thing. But they are highly vulnerable and uh and in fact, based uh we just completed also a study with Harvard uh the uh the center for Health and Human Rights of Harvard University looking at a a case uh, you know, a case files, uh because iOM has been assisting victims of trafficking over a hundred thousand victims now globally and we run a database that uh basically um uh the database that about the victims that we’ve assisted and uh the uh the analysis that we did with Harvard uh University over 69,000 cases of trafficking uh comprised of 156 nationalities who are trafficked across 186 countries and in over 113 countries where IOM operates.Our data that we collected for over 20 years, especially on children. This is our this is this cases our children uh trafficking cases.
PS: Ja
AN: We confirms that no age, no age range, no gender, no nationality is immune to child trafficking.
PS: Hmm
AN: it’s a truly global phenomenon and according to the UN OEDC uh data, one in three victims that uh that the government and everyone assisted, including uh your organisations are children.
So so one in three victims is a child. So it is it is it is quite significant. And uh and the immigrants uh again, uh because they they are they are they could be um you know, victimised for the status of their status in the country and that makes them even more vulnerable to to trafficking in person.
PS: Yeah. I mean, a lot of people profit out of the desperation of a lot of our brothers and sisters who are looking for refuge in other countries. So I definitely do agree with you that, you know, they can be very vulnerable when it comes to being trafficked.
Let’s speak about children a little bit. is it mostly boys or girls who are more likely to be trafficked or, like you said, there’s no gender thing is it is any human being is vulnerable to being trafficked.
AN: Well, you know, our data, according to that analysis 20% of the victims were trafficked for sexual exploitation at close to half of the victims we’ve assisted our traffic for forced labour, and boys were more likely uh, you know, to to report being exploited for forced labour than girls. So but when when you look at the you know, the types of exploitation’s that children suffer from, girls likely to report a sexual exploitation’s compared to boys. About the 30.3% of girls are at risk or are indeed as a victims of sexual exploitation compared to boys, which is only 7.3 percent.
But boys, especially the young adults, they are now subject to exploitation for forced criminality, especially the criminality that happens, you know, uh online, you know, uh the online scam, for example, they recruit a boys and uh they operate uh online and uh and it is uh the forced criminal criminality is now getting a bit more attention now but a woman it is very dangerous when a victim of trafficking will end up in jail simply because of the activity or the form of exploitation related to criminality uh that uh the person is the person is dealing with. So uh the of real victimisation is high and in a country, especially in a country where prostitution is illegal, where who are subject to forced prostitution and uh and sexual exploitation are like to spend time in jail before being recognized as a victim of uh of sexual exploitation. So this is this is getting, you know, uh concerning now, uh especially when it is perpetrated using the technology or the online platform make countries do not have a cyber security system where they can uh, you know, effectively and efficiently investigate using the online platform. So, yeah.
PS: I mean, speaking about online, how can you how can we better protect our children from being groomed, you know, um online into human-trafficking like, what are some of the practices that you think parents can adapt into making sure that their children are being protected online? Because now we have TikTok and everything. you know, and our people are on their phones, you know, we are more disconnected than we are connected because of social media you know but what are some of the safe guidelines that we can [not even for children] but adults as well.
AN: Ja. So maybe we need to first clarify the terminology of grooming in case they are not aware of the terminology.
PS: Yes please, lets do that
AN: Grooming means you know, means of which an adult befriends a child with the intention of sexually abusing her or him, and uh and it is predominantly done by males to less an extent by women, uh, but very minimally, you know, uh women who solicit children for sexual purposes. So there are a number of uh of of stages of this uh perpetrators do in regards to grooming.
First day select their victims. and when they select their victims, they often look at the, you know, the attractiveness of that individual that that victim uh that’s one one aspect and then um maybe the the easy the access to that individual and then the vulnerabilities, you know, from from, you know, sometimes you see the reels where people pose or kids post like, oh, I have issues with my mom. No, I am I you know, uh I have a fight with my friends and things like that. So that’s kind of like showing uh the world or online uh perpetrators that that that person is in the state of vulnerability.
That’s when they select that individual. So victim selections and then after getting that selection and again, uh an adult befriending a child. So the thing that they need to do is to to get to gain rapport with the child, right?
So using the using the, you know, like the cool language, using the empathetic language and things like that. So they start contacting the individual to form a friendship and then and slowly slowly trying to get that information about the victims of uh directly or through the online sources. You know, it’s it’s uh, you know, we have this I technology that may impact our lives because everything that we have is now publicly available.
So this person can can gain access about the the the selected victim from, you know, from the from the from accessing it online directly. And then uh and then they would they would look at, you know, first add a friend, you know, they would ask uh the person as a friend and then uh they they would scroll their the selected victim uh page and to see what their hobbies are and then start getting conversation using that commonalities. And then um and then after after gaining an access to the to the prospective victim, then before this sexual exploitation happens, then they would need to to the perpetrators would need to make sure that they are also risk-free.
So they would need to, you know, to to form a exclusive communication. [line was inaudible] So ah and and isolate the child to make sure that the that the child only has access with him or him to to to to the child. And then uh and again, uh the manipulations is dynamic.
It’s not a linear process. Sometimes it a change course, they change uh methods, they change ways of talking and things like that. And then they would slowly start to get to to to get access for ex you know, exploitation, like for example, oh, you look great in that dress.
Can you send me the photo? And then you would be like, you know, actually, if you can just take your top off a little bit, you know, show a little bit of skin and things like that. and then they would use that photography as a means of control. Like, oh, if you don’t then, you know, I’m going to send it to your mom. I have the f your school or your friends and things like that. So yeah.
PS: Wow, so they basically study you. They don’t just, you know, go ahead and just do crazy things to your. They they watch and study every movement. And I think it’s this is very important because a lot of us, you know, our vulnerability does not have limitations or boundaries, especially online, you know, and we think everybody’s empathetic and they really care, but actually, we keep we can use your weaknesses, you know, you know, um and and and I love what you said, because sometimes people request things from us, you know, but those things that will use them against you to control. and and unfortunately, we live in the world with shame is is is can be used against you.
You know, once once they can prey and and and and bring guilt and shame, of course, you want to keep that a secret and then they can exploit you in that way. So so I’m very grateful that you are able to share that information because a lot of us we don’t understand the manipulation and the mind of a trafficker and I think you just put me into that a little bit to really understand what actually people go through.
When we get our children, all over the world that you have been dealing with, you know, uh especially victims of human-trafficking. What are some of the challenges that, you know, that you guys get to deal with with those children when it comes to trauma, you know, um because sometimes we don’t we don’t really empathise with with with people who are victims of human trafficking. Like, what are some of the challenges that you guys get to deal with in in the process of helping somebody heal from that experience?
AN: Yeah, you know, you have to remember the methods of uh of uh perpetrators or the means of control used by them against the victims. So uh they would place, let’s say, the law enforces as enemies. So then they they don’t have uh they have lack of trust, victims have lack of trust towards forces, for example.
And uh and when you are dealing with child victims, sometimes, uh and most of the time, they they feel like it is their fault. You know, uh that uh, you know, because, for example, when we when we speak about when we speak about migrants, uh for, you know, some countries have put a very strict rules about the people coming into their countries and one of them, um one of them may be you cannot be under 18 to to come to to uh to my country for work for and then when the child is uh, you know, recruited for a job and and that person is in that child is an 18 yet and then uh the perpetrator would issue a a forged forged document uh and to make that that child uh older.
So then one of one of the the the idea instilled in her in her or him is that you can’t tell your real age because you breaking the law so the child would feel that this is their fault. I shouldn’t have left. I should have just stayed at home and things like that.
So so I think uh it is it is very important for us to to to make sure that that that it is not their fault, that they are not. There are some specific guidelines when when you when you speak with a big, like, for example, uh you take gender into consideration, for example, you communicate in the language, they understand you build rapport and you have you that the child feels safe and comfortable and then uh and only only the person who are trained on child protection that only be speaking with the child because uh, you know, the the rape victimisation and further harming of the child is very high. So, so uh so one of the difficulties when we dealt with child victim is that they often forgot in details what happened because of the trauma that they have endured and that uh and that’s why when we when we do, when do we do interview and uh a child victims we need to make sure that uh we need to focus on the current situation uh you can’t pursue for answer.
You cannot go through the streets and then grab a child and start asking questions. No, because you have to you have to give the the child their rights and put the child rights it’s the feeling secure is one of the basic human rights of a child. And access to supportive environment, you know, and access to rest, you know, that the very simple basic human rights, you need to be able to give to the child before pursuing any answers. Yeah.
PS: Yeah. I mean, unfortunately, sometimes we think children are children and they don’t have rights and as adults, we need to overpower.
Uh, and they don’t know what is right and they don’t know what is wrong, but as you said, you, I’m very grateful that we actually have human rights that actually protect children. Children from being abused by adults. You actually reminded me in your in your in what you were saying about I have this friend who usually does not allow his children to be hugged by strangers. Like like like those are some of the boundaries that he has put but but what is what are some of the things that you think we can teach our children, not in in a noninvasive way in respecting their privacy, like how can we really engage with our children in a way that they can understand what harshly human trafficking is? Like what’s the language that we can use so that we only have children who are always on the edge all the time. you know? So what’s the safe way to actually speak to our children about human-trafficking?
AN: Sometimes you are the enemy to a child, you are the enemy. because you don’t understand me, you know, like uh adults don’t understand children. So that’s the other thing that we need to be aware of what we when we speak with the with the child. We need to understand that the child has agency and that has autonomy, and then we need to respect that, and we need to respect that the child can make decision for them, provided all the information they need to know.
So, you know, that kind of a attitude toward the child will make the child feel comfortable talking to you. But when I think some of the some of the the the techniques or the the ways to discuss sensitive topic like trafficking in persons with a child is, you know, you have to, you know, I make I may probably give you a do and don’t, yeah? So just do’s the do’s include, you know, you talk about the exploitation in a way that they would understand.
And in the emphasis on the protective factors, like, for example, when you go outside and you when you travel to a shop and things like that, please let me know, just message me. uh text me or WhatsApp me and so that we know where you are. So in case you have issues, you know, like you, you projected an a protective environment so that the child would believe you and would know that you have only the best interests at hearts towards the child. And then you use the empowering language like, uh you you’re such a big girl, you can protect yourself, yes, uh, but I would really be uh, you know, I would feel more appreciative if you would allow, you know, me to check on you from time to time for things like that.
So something, you know, empowering language. And then you use the language that resonates with the youths not like big words, you know, like uh like uh it’s I mean, it’s a you’re talking to a child who may not where it’s, you know, and and then you have to express that you have you only care and concerned about their safety. So only for the, you know, you you have the best intention at hearts.
And uh the the dont’s would include, you know, like, you see we spoke about the protective factors. The dont’s would be to not talk about the risk factors. Because, you know, children, they they aren’t risk seekers, right?
PS: You. You want to tell them don’t touch the don’t touch the stove and the next minute they’re touching it..
AN: Exactly. You don’t talk about the risk factors because then they would seek for it, you know? And also we need to remember that the the risk that the children may not have control over the risk.
You know, you know how many times you’ve heard okay, so I just had an experience like one one of my niece was stalked by a by an adult, right? So we it reported the case to the police and the first the police asked, what were you wearing, you know? that that gender stereotyping and very demeaning and disempowering from a man towards a woman, like you know, you know, they continue being very victimised for what they wear, and what they do and things like that. So.
PS: I think the first mistake is even reporting a rape case to a man, because I’m speaking as a man here. Sometimes I just don’t think it’s the right thing, you know. I mean, it has to be in a safe environment and possibly, like you said, with another female who will probably understand the situation, rather than a man would be.
But I think men need to be educated. about how to receive information and and be a little bit more sensitive, because it’s very hurtful to hear that that that’s what had actually happened. And that’s where as a man I tell a lot of people and a lot of men would think like that and say, hey, you can’t blame a mistake on a pencil, you know, because it’s not a pencil that made the mistake, you, who was writing with the pencil is you can’t blame a woman for wearing a certain way and say you at them because of what were wearing. I think I just wanted to jump on that because I think that mindset we need to deal with, but I think as a man, I think I have a responsibility with, you know, our talking with my brothers about that. But thank you for bringing that up, I appreciate.
AN: So Phineas, the issue now, when you go to the police stations, how many police women are there?
PS: I agree with you.
AN: So another problem that we face in my country I come from Indonesia. In Indonesia we have, I mean the we have what we call the women and children unit within the crime investigation division.
And that only happened, uh that unit only came about of, you know, um uh early 2000 thousand, you know. So before that women who were a victims of rape would be having to face a policeman who asked, like, what were you wearing, you know, all these blaming language, like, oh, oh, you you you know, you you’re kind of pretty, you know, so that’s why you get attacked, you know, that kind of thing. So, uh so one of our responses as IOM as a UN entity, we do build capacity of the government, uh counter-trafficking, including on the prosecution investigation and prosecution part.
But emphasize in in those police training’s or we emphasise uh victim-centered approach and then the human rights-based policing so that they minimize the victimizing language, you know? Yeah. So, so yeah, so that’s that’s that’s the that’s basically, you know, some of the dont’s. And one of one of the things that uh that we do not do as adults when talking to the child is question who asking too many questions.
PS: Just because they can re-traumatise the child.
AN: Exactly. So I you know, I’ve been working for the organization for over a decade now and uh one of my early early work in the organization is to I was in victim identification specialist. So what I did was go out and find the victims. So uh when when I did uh interview the child, uh the child presumed child victims, sometimes I just I just simply like because they have so many things in their minds that they want to let it right?
So that a simple question like, so how have you been? Tell me what happened. And then they will tell you everything. You don’t even have to you don’t even have to ask too many questions, yeah.
PS: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I I want us to shift a little bit because we spoke about victims a little bit, but I think I think you will agree that even perpetrators can be can be victims, you know, and how do you deal with perpetrators who are actually victims of human-trafficking?
Because everybody will be like, um you know, but you have perpetrator, you need to go to jail and rot in jail. But what if the perpetrator was also trafficked? and unfortunately, there were trafficked to exploit, you know, or victim victimatised other people, because usually people who are victims end up victimising others. Like they say hurt people, hurt people. So how do you deal with their complicity of that?
AN: Uh, yeah, so this is uh related to the forced criminality uh that I mentioned earlier, um, you know, uh it, you know, it certainly happened uh, you know, if you when when we speak about trafficking we use uh the UN Palermo protocol to combat trafficking in person, right.
And the Palermo protocol sets the you know, uh states the definitions very, very clearly about what trafficking is. And then uh the um you know, uh the perpetrators that you were talking about is basically um, you know, when you have to look at from the uh from the main goal of trafficking is to exploit human beings, right? And if the person who who can who who took part in trafficking and if that person is recruited to uh to participate in the crime action, you have to look at the um, you know, the means used, you know, uh. So the consent of that individual, you know, they the UN Palermo protocol article 3B, it clearly states the consent of a victim of trafficking to the intended exploitation shall be irrelevant where the where any of the means uh set forth in some paragraph 3A have been used, meaning that if I am recruited, uh by because nobody wants nobody, nobody wants to be exported, right?
PS: Yes.
AN: So I would come to you and I would hire you and your job is to recruit an individual. If I tell you, you recruit this individual, then that individual I would be I will I will be exploiting. I don’t think you would want to do this, right?
PS: Yes. Ja, Ja, Ja.
AN: So then we can have to be uh a mechanism of control used by perpetrators, like maybe lied to, maybe a, you know, false promises and things like that. In the trafficking in persons definitions, uh even though you agree to to conduct a a criminal act, it would be considered irrelevant because you are threatened to do it, you know? So then clearly interviewing the individual to make sure that, you know, that you don’t, that, you know, uh government or police does not punish this individual.
The needs to be properly trained so that they investigate that. This is what we call the non-punishable principle, because the victim of trafficking has been punished multiple time and as government, we don’t want to be the next in line to the punished.
PS: Hmm, Hmm. Wow, listen, I I could talk with you, though. the whole day.
I need to I need to come and sit under your wisdom because I’m doing a a masters in peace and justice and I think one of my goals is to do some stuff with you and, you know, but specifically combat, uh issues of human-trafficking and gender-based violence and homelessness all over the world. But what you’re saying is very fascinating and very encouraging. I think let’s land the plane.
It’s the holiday season right now, you know, um and people will be going to the beach, people will be traveling, um what are some of the things specifically when we’re speaking about children that the parents need to look into when it comes to the safety of them and their children?
AN: Yeah, you know there is no um I would say that there is no such thing as a complete security, right? You like as as parents, you want to make sure that you protect your child.
But at the end day, you can’t really offer that. When when your child walks out of the house, that’s it. You’re out of control, right?
PS: Yes, yes.
AN: So I think emphasising on personal security, uh to your child is very important and then you this down what that personal personal security is because you know you could simply like I cannot watch over your back all the time. Like and when you and I don’t want to be a controlling mother but you also care about your personal security. uh basically, uh um, you know, talking to the child uh and and explaining the risks uh, you know, uh you know, that that, you know, uh, uh that are waiting for people out there to to to to traffic individual and how to manage those risks.
So if you do have to talk about the risk, then you need to also couple that with how to mitigate such risk.
PS: Right.
AN: And uh and also uh, you know, provides some information about how to get help. So if this happens, go call this person and then also put, you know, like an emergency numbers, uh so something happens, then you just dial five and then it will, you know, it will get to me.
And then uh and you you can always talk to your children and work together on setting a clear ground rules. You know, what what what are some of the rules that that you think uh that you both can develop together? uh like, oh, well, I mean, you should never drink and drive, for example, uh you should uh make sure that one of you, when you are going out, kids, when you’re going out, one of you must be sober.
If you want to plan, you know, to to, you know, to, you know, whatever. So some more on must be looking after each other and impossible they have a have a talk with the friends, the friend, they uh that they feel close to. And and also list down all the all the numbers that they need to that they need to that they need to contact in case, uh in case they need help.
PS: Yeah. Now, I appreciate that. I mean I think and I think as as we landing the plane, uh maybe somebody’s listening to us right now and they’re will like to get involved, maybe they work with children you know, uh maybe in preschool in primary schools, maybe they are a teacher, uh or or or or what advice?
Like maybe they are a guardian, like what advice would you like to maybe share with with with with with people who are looking after children when it comes to the safeguard and making sure that the children that they work with are protected.
AN: Uh, well, you have this free-to-fly organisation.
PS: Yes, yes, yes.
AN: Always go to to seek for Asian and I think they are so many online online information from the the trusted sources like save the children, like Unicef, and also South Africa has the national uh national network, a trafficking net, right?
So all this, I think, uh you know, uh these are the the the trusted source and of of course, my organisation.
PS: Yes, yes, yes.
AN: Always come to us if you need support, if you if if you wish to seek guidance and uh we’ve made so many uh you know, like guidelines, we have what we call racial migrant protection platform where you could find everything there. We also now work with globally with so many partners on counter-trafficking data collaborative, where all these agencies are supplying data on trafficking just to build, you know, knowledge based on on what is. Unfortunately, the child trafficking data is very, very minimal. uh and uh and so obviously we still need uh we need a lot more people participating in alerting the police, alerting the organisation about some about a potential cases, you know, uh about vulnerable groups and things like that.
I I bet you, you know, maybe people who are listening to us when they are walking down the street and they look at the baggages, then they would start thinking, ahh, they are victims of trafficking?
PS: Yes, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think what we’re trying to do me and you is to make people a little bit curious about the things that they have normalised as normal, because a lot of the things that we live with in this way are not very normal.
So a little bit of curiosity rather than judging people, um will be very helpful. So I think, you know, hopefully people will become more curious about the things that they see in their community and they will take action and realise that they have a responsibility. Sister Anna is a joy to talk to you, uh like I said, I could talk to you the whole day. uh you’re very, you know, informed uh person and and and hopefully one day we get to meet in person and I get to see the work that you guys are doing.
I just follow you guys on Instagram, you know, on social media. So I’m getting I’m going to encourage everybody to do that. and see see the work that you guys are doing.
AN: You know what, I will be coming down to Cape Town on the 11th to 13th, we have a big meeting there where all the technical people are going to be there. 150 of us. So, so South Africa is an important country for IOM.
We can pay for IOM because um you know, even you look at Africa, South Africa uh has perhaps, you know, one of more advanced uh country in terms of having policies in place or having a system in place. So, so I think it’s, you know, it’s it’s very I mean, in addition to how beautiful South South Africa is.
PS: Yes, yes very, yeah.
AN: For our organisation, it is a very Important country. Ja.
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